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hey people my topic for dissertation is.." building- a play of illusions." please help me out with it..i'm goin to cover illusions created by spaces,forms,colours,textures and optical illusions.
Srishti Joshi
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Srishti, You mean "Trompe-L`oeil"? This is French and is defined in my Oxford English Dictionary as "(Still-life painting etc) designed to make spectator think objects represented are real. [French = "decieves the eye"]"
Frank John Snelling
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Hi srishti,

you can start by watching the movie "Inception" if you had not watched it. Optical illusion is a topic in itself and when you add the space dimension it opens a plethora of things that you can study.

Even try and find good episodes of "Mahabharata" where they show "Mayasabha". Read about "Mayasabha" if you can get a good literature of it. I have read about it in Telugu in some books and the description is just awesome.
Sriraj Gokarakonda
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there can be 2 kind of illussions,one magical,where illussion menifest......second is psychological,where it effects the psych of percepter,nothing manifest.....mahabharat had first kind,while we excell better in seconde.....textures can generate feelings of touch visually,colours can make covered space look big or small,forms can change scale and as you know space is the element of play.....great do detailing.
Dushyant Nathwani
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thanks frank...what you are saying is more of illusions created by painting something,i'm still n't that clear with my topic,my professor suggested me to read about "phenomenology" its some what related to what i'm trying to acheive,if anybody could throw some light on "phenomenlogy"
Srishti Joshi
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thanks sriraj and dushyant,i agree with both of you.dushyant i'm most probably be dealing with the psychological part of it..if you could suggest me some architects or books which i should refer...and if you know any architect who has worked upon optical illusion like mirage in any of his building.
Srishti Joshi
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Srishti, "phenomenology" is defined in my Oxford English Dictionary as "Science of phenomena; description and classification of phenomena".

Although, I would say that your professor is using phenomenology more in sense of the word "phenomenalism" defined as "Doctrine that phenomema are the only objects of knowledge."

In other words, your professor is more interested in philosophy than design.
Frank John Snelling
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Srishti, You may consider reading the book Genius Loci, Towards a Phenomenology of Architecture by Christian Norberg-Schulz. Also, The Problem of Difference, Phenomenology and Poststructuralism by Jeffrey A. Bell.
Bernard Mugwima
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thank you sooo much Bernard Mugwima :) and frank if you could tell me how should i relate phenomenology with illusion that too in context of architecture
Srishti Joshi
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Srishti, I would say phenemonology comes from the existential stable of philosophy, whereby what you have not not experienced does not exist and therefore has no existence and such a belief is Nihilism by another name.

And from such belief it but a small step to the notion that nobody creates anything because creation is always in the eye (and mind) of the beholder.

One could play with such conceptual illusions for ever and a day without reaching any conclusion, rather like Voltaire`s comment about how some religious people were more interested in "How many angels dance upon the point of a needle?" than in real life.
Frank John Snelling
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oh my god..!! thank you sooo much frank.You have explained it sooo well..now i could myself understand my topic....i need to talk to you frequently to understand things in a better ,because these philosophical things actually confuses me..thanks again..:)
Srishti Joshi
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Srishti, You are welcome. As a guiding principle I use "If in doubt, ask" words which were always printed upon technical drawings / blueprints.

My father had a phrase "A bad workman blames his tools." And "tools" can apply to words you need to use. In other words, if there is a job you do not understand, ask rather than muddling through and making a mess of the job.

I try to apply this principle to all confusions and in particular, I have made it a lifelong habit to define the meanings of words I do not understand. :)))
Frank John Snelling
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Dear Srishti
Look At the work of M.C Esher and Piranesi
Mahrukh Mirza
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thanks john...ok...soo now that i have understood phenomenology by reading some books as "looking at architecture from within the consciousness experiencing it".if you could tell me what all should i research about and what all case studies i should do which will help me understand my topic in a better manner.
Srishti Joshi
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Srishti, The optical illusions of Escher are brilliant. :)))

However, there is world of difference between the work of Escher which directly seeks to confuse the mind through confusing the eye; and such psychological works as the Rorsucht Ink Blot Tests which seeks indirectly to confuse the mind through showing amorphous blobs and leaving the mind to interpret what the eyes see.

In fact, the work of Escher has a direct and intentional effect upon the minds of those who look at his opticial illusions. In other words, you know that Escher is the creator of his work, so what the eyes of other people see is his work and therefore the imagination of others does not create his work.

Whereas, such images as the "Rorsucht Ink Blot" tests are intentionally designed to be so amorphous and so chaotic that the existential idea that "no one creates anything because everything is in the eye of the beholder" becomes a reality.

And if one follows this train of thought it explains the rationale for all of the amorphous, anonymous and acultural blobs known as modern art and likewise modern architecture. And a prime example is the anonymous, amorphous and acultural "Glass Wall" buildings which simply reflect the buildings around them rather like wearing a cloak of invisibility.

The problem with both designs and theories which base their existence upon the underlying agenda of being anonymous, amorphous and acultural is that without recognisable parameters it becomes extremely difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between what is aesthetic, what is unaesthetic and what is mediocre.
Frank John Snelling
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thanks frank..:)) ok i understood what you are trying to explain..ok tel me what do you think.."phenomenolgy in architecture and illusions are related.? " or how should i incorporate illusions under the subject of phenomenology?
Srishti Joshi
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Srishti, To me phenomenology comes within the subject of illusions and not the other way round, because phenomenology in architecture and art uses the phenomena of `object trouve` (French = found objects) or `Rorsucht Ink Blot` and relies upon mind of the viewer to fill in the creative void.

Whereas, illusions such as "trompe-l`oeil" = French `decieves the eye`, (still life painting, etc designed to make the spectator think objects represented are real) and those designed by Escher rely upon the creative and imaginative abilities of the artist to destabilise the reality of the viewer by showing that the impossible is possible.

Therefore both of the above are valid forms of illusion, but only one obeys the rules of phenomenology.
Frank John Snelling
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Srishti, illusion also plays its part in the current topic "Parallels between architecture and photography".
Frank John Snelling
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Srishti, As I wrote today in the topic "Parallels between architecture and photography", camouflage is another aspect of intentional illusion in the architectural design process.
Frank John Snelling
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Srishti, "Eureka!" ("I have [found] it" in Greek)... one word for an architect = Magician (a master of illusion).
Frank John Snelling
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wow.......exiting.
Dushyant Nathwani
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frank i'm soooo thankful to you for your responses .ok now tel me do you know some architects who have used phenomenology as their design criteria..??
Srishti Joshi
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Srishti, I have just surfed on the web and found a two page Wikipedia entry for "Phenomenology (architecture)".
Frank John Snelling
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Hello guys,,I'm planning to do my dissertation on the topic "transition spaces in commercial complex" , I hav no idea 2 start...also i need suggestions frm u guys,,dat wt all areas should i need 2 cover for the study...its urgent..
Thahseen Abdulla
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I m waiting for ur valuable suggestions...pls tell me the references also....
Thahseen Abdulla
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Thahseen, try looking for examples in Spatial Morphology
Frank John Snelling
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