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Islamic architecture in Iran
I would like to start this discussion with a general question about Iranian architecture.

What effect is important in Iranian architecture- Islam or nationality?

For example, was Iranian architecture was made with an Iranian concept, or with an Islamic ideology?
Mohammad Parva
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Islamic architecture in Iran
There are many views on this issue and one has to clarify in which aspect is he most interested:
On present or on past?
On large scale or on small scale constructions?
Of which use, industrial, public, home? On whatever is visible today as a mean value, which is a mix of all?

To my view, generally speaking,the most influential component is the technology and materials available and their economic aspects. Which I think had and has little to do with either ideology or nationality.
For example, if there are no rocks available in the area, you have to pay a price for bringing them there, you are less likely to have people knowing to properly use them, less likely to use them.

A public building, being owned by a rich owner, may afford some or more ideology (meaning technologies reminding historic patterns of times to be connected to the present) and aesthetics (meaning more expensive design and/or technologies) to be added to the final product.

Constructions owned by the poor can afford only limited alternatives and are much less prone to decline from what is imposed by the least cost technology.
Alcis Papas
Islamic architecture in Iran
As usual, difficult questions...

In my view, there is no specific factor to explain the architecture. I proposed two observations about architecture:

First with the concept of architecture elements, which under effect of the culture= religion.
The second perception is the spirit of place, which is connected to the nationality.

Therefore, both Islamic ideology and an Iranian sensibility can be seen in the Islamic architecture in Iran.
Farnaz Pakdel
Islamic architecture in Iran
It is a fact, Iranian architects have made important buildings.

But we know the concept of Iranian architecture in Islamic period has affected Iranian art.

If we separate Iranian concepts art from Islamic ideology, we can recognize the identity of Iranian architecture.
Mohammad Parva
Islamic architecture in Iran
There are various stages through which Iranian or Persian (as a more accurate referance) architecture progressed.

Persian architecture existed long before the Islamic era, and its main styles are: Elamite, Parsi, Parthian and Sassanid.

After the Islamic era intervention, the architectural style took on a very different approach with new influences. The Post-Islamic styles are Khorasani, Razi, Azeri and the infamous Isfahani.

It is safe to say that Iranian architecture maintained a strictly unparalleled "style" and identity in its approach, yet didn't hesitate to introduce influences from Islamic architectural concepts which were widespread along the Islamic regions.

FYI:

www.iranian.com/Kasraie/2004/November/Arch/

Butheina Kadhem
Islamic architecture in Iran
The biggest problem I see here is one of the time-frame. What period do you wish to focus on? And where would pre-Islamic architecture, Persepolis being the most remarkable of all remaining sites, fit into the frame?

History tells us that religion always plays a crucial role in 'national' architecture, be that in China, Egypt, Europe or the MENA region that encompasses Byzantime, Hellenic, pre-Islamic, Islamic, Judaic, Roman, or Ottoman architecture.

May I suggest that you narrow the focus of this suggested discussion as the very first step, set a period, eg., tenth century onwards, and then take it from there?
Sajid Rizvi
Islamic architecture in Iran
Islam in Iran has two factors:
1/area zone
2/time zone
Area zone in Iran encloses from Yemen to India, and time zone in Iran covers from the 8th century AD to...but Islamic ideology reaches back to 17 AD.
I think we must highlight a special time and area
Mohammad Parva
Islamic architecture in Iran
It is an important challenge, religion or nation; which one is important or effective.

In fact Iranian architecture has always been shaped by both factors.

So we must accept that these principles have always existed in Iranian architecture, before and through the Islamic period.
Alireza Gholinejad
Islamic architecture in Iran
I want to add a very important note to the discussion.and it is to consider conditions and the mother pattern of Islamic art and particularly architecture.
the phenomenon which is called Islamic architecture is the combining fruit of Iranian and bizantime architecture and they are not Differentiable (Iranian national and Islamic architecture).
during the centuries Iranian Islamic architecture was the best name of what has happened over there.and nowadays(since some decades before Pahlavi's dynasty we have lost our pattern according to not being codified.
after all, my eventual mean is that: islamic architecture is more iranian than we can search abouth the impression of that on Iranian national architecture.
may be the right question could be asked like this:what are the main Iranian features which has impressed on Islamic architecture?and is it Islamic architecture as an independent case ( I mean in direct connections with Islam as a religion)or an other exploration of middle eastern nations architecture(specially Iran and the contemporary turkey)?although I think the main question of Dr parva was about the state of Islam's rule(as a religion and ideology not as an artistic style) in iranian architecture forming.
S. Maziar Mazloomi
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